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Why iPods Suck

I'm having trouble finding a concise argument against buying an iPod. It's not that I think that there is none, just that everyone who rants about them doesn't bother to point out the individual flaws that make up the complete picture of how awful the device is.

It's likely that the reason is because people are so angry after trying to use iPods that they can't form coherent thought. At least, that's how I imagine it.

Maybe it's just odd for PC users, and Mac users don't have trouble. I think the underlying problem is how Apple tried to make it very easy to use, and then failed to make it usable.

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Using an iPod on the PC seems counterintuitive to how PCs work. This is a fundamental flaw in how some popular software seems to be designed these days. My classic example of this property is iTunes.

To get files onto your iPod (nevermind that there is other software to accomplish this - I'm talking simply about the certified-to-work stuff) you need to run iTunes. iTunes is fundamentally a kiosk for an online music store. The ability to transfer files to the iPod seem like functionality that was bolted on after the fact, as if it's a mere coincidence that iTunes works with the iPod at all.

The first problem I have with iTunes is that it's a big clunky Apple interface. Why on Earth did Apple decide that the Windows GUI chrome (the "look" of windows on the Windows OS) wasn't good enough for their application? Something that graphic designers fail to understand about creating program interfaces is that familiarity is good. If every program on the computer looks a certain way, then people have an easier time learning something new. Providing a Mac interface to PC users is a stupid thing to do.

How does one get files into the iPod from iTunes? You plug in the iPod, of course. Wait. What?

Yes, you just plug in the iPod. What could be simpler? Well, nothing. There is also nothing I can see as being more simple-minded.

There is a period when you first plug in your iPod when you aren't supposed to remove it from the cable. At that time, data shuttles between the PC and the iPod, synchronizing your music between the two. More accurately, making sure that the music that is catalogged in iTunes is stored on your iPod.

You don't have to tell it to put certain songs there, and that's the issue. It puts everything in your iTunes library onto the iPod. Nevermind that I've bought and listened to 20 space-hogging audiobooks. Unless I remove them from the iTunes library somehow (and doing so renders them unplayable unless I somehow add them back into the iTunes library) then the audio gets put onto the iPod. Silly.

And what happens when you have more audio in your iTunes library than will fit in your iPod?

Also, the iTunes format is proprietary. If you iPod gets hit by a car in two years and you need to replace it, and Creative has finally taken over the market as it rightfully should, then none of the music you downloaded in iTunes will play on the new player. Why? Because the format in which Apple saves music from iTunes can only be played back by iTunes or an iPod, and that's all.

Assuming you are able to successfully transfer your music through the proprietary Firewire/USB connector (most PCs don't have Firewire ports, but regardless of that, the iPod end of the cable is unique to the iPod) into the iPod, you've still got a few shortcomings in the player itself.

Who cares how pretty the $300 chunk of silicone wonder is if you can't get it to play? First of all, the inductive (touch-sensitive) playback controls are all style and no substance.

Imagine you're at the gym listening to some tracks, and some spoken-work recording sneaks its way into your playlist so you want to skip to the next tune. You're still jogging on the treadmill, but you're grabbing the controls. Since you're not looking at the face of the device, you feel around for the control to jump to the next track. The trouble is, you end up hitting 8 other controls while feeling around, and so you've got to stop jogging to operate the iPod. What good is that?

Car and car audio manufacturers put a lot of thought into designing their radios. They design the knobs and buttons so that you can operate the radio completely by touch. You would never be able to drive and tune the radio at the same time if it was an iPod interface you were operating. You would constantly be changing the track!

Didn't you buy the player not to stare at, but to listen to? When the audio is actually playing, the on-screen interface is also poor.

Usually the jog dial controls the volume. So how do you change the position in the file? You tap the center button.

After you tap the center button to dial forward in the file, you might listen for a little bit and finally decide that you need to jump farther ahead. So you spin the wheel, but instead of moving forward through the song, the song gets really loud. That's because there's a delay on the selection of the audio position that toggles it back to volume after the short timer runs out. This delay is way too short, and possibly unneccessary.

Moreover, when you get to someplace you want to stop temporarily, there is no way to set a bookmark to come back later. For instance, you cannot listen to part of an audiobook, set a bookmark, then listen to some music, and then come back to listen to the rest of the book. No, you have to wheel your way forward through the book and find the place where you left off. It's very annoying.

There are a couple of other tricks that the iPod pulls off, too. The first is the one that Berta surprised me with last week.

She said to me, "It's a shame you don't have an iPod because they make so many devices that go with it." This is a testament to Apple's crappy design. If they had used standard connectors and provided a standard interface, then any device could connect to these external appliances. Instead, we have a bevy of worthless Apple-compatible audio junk that only works with an iPod which will probably be defunct in a year.

Did I mention that the battery on an iPod is not user-serviceable? You can't replace it. After it loses the ability to recharge (hey, even expensive laptop batteries do), it's dead. Unless you can send it back to Apple and have it replaced with a new one that doesn't have your songs on it. Another option is the dreaded warranty-voiding 3rd-party battery replacement. That's hardly something I wnat to try on a $300+ device that had been designed to "just work".

The iPod doesn't receive radio. So when you're tired of your music, or you want to hear the news, or listen to the closed-circuit TV radio at the gym - Tough! Can't do that with an iPod.

iPods don't have microphones, so you can't record any ambient sound with them. I used my mp3 player all the time for recording college classes for playback later. If I had bought an iPod, I would have needed to also buy a mini tape recorder.

Oh, yeah... other mp3 players usually cost $100 less than their comparable iPod counterparts, and also have all of the good features I just mentioned. The only thing you're really paying a premium for is the "iPod" brand. And really, you're just labelling yourself "sucker".

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  1. Quality post there.
    My daughter has a Shuffle, I have a Zen Micro.
    I add what I want, when I want, however I want. She can't.

    Maybe I don't look as cool though - but then she's only 15 :)

  2. Sheldon Kotyk

    I have a shuffle and I load it up when I want. It's in the config somewhere. As for an iPod, anything more than a shuffle for me was a waste of money. I like the shuffles size and lack of breakable parts.

  3. Sorry, Owen, I work at a computer retail store and the iPods actually represent a substantial amount of our sales, and I also own a few iPods myself, so I felt compelled to respond to just a few of your points.

    You don’t have to tell it to put certain songs there, and that’s the issue. It puts everything in your iTunes library onto the iPod. Nevermind that I’ve bought and listened to 20 space-hogging audiobooks.

    Actually, under the "iPod" section of your iTunes preferences, you can choose from a number of different song-loading options, including "Automatically update all songs and playlists (with a "Only update checked songs" sub-option), "Automatically update selected playlists only", and "Manually manage songs and playlists".

    And what happens when you have more audio in your iTunes library than will fit in your iPod?

    You either buy a bigger iPod, use anything but the "Automatically update all songs and playlists" option, or set iTunes to randomly load songs onto the iPod (sort of like a "pre-shuffle" setting).

    Also, the iTunes format is proprietary. If you iPod gets hit by a car in two years and you need to replace it, and Creative has finally taken over the market as it rightfully should, then none of the music you downloaded in iTunes will play on the new player. Why? Because the format in which Apple saves music from iTunes can only be played back by iTunes or an iPod, and that’s all.

    That really is only half-true. Yes, songs purchased from the iTunes Music Store are only available as protected AAC files and cannot be converted. So, to play them on your computer, you need iTunes. And, to play them on a portable media player, you need an iPod. But, songs which aren't purchased from the iTunes Music Store (songs imported from a CD or freely downloaded file) can be converted to MP3, WAV, or AIFF files at any time, just by changing the encoder setting under the Import options. And, yes, iPods can play all of the above formats. From my experience, AAC does offer higher quality and smaller file size at comparable bit-rates to MP3 files.

    Most PCs don’t have Firewire ports, but regardless of that, the iPod end of the cable is unique to the iPod.

    Yes, the "Dock Connector" is unique to the iPod, but there are plenty of low-cost generic cables on the market. Also, the Apple dumped the Firewire cable at least six months ago. Since then, the iPods have been shipping with USB 2 cables.

    First of all, the inductive (touch-sensitive) playback controls are all style and no substance.

    The third generation release was the only fully touch-sensitive model. Since the release of the forth generation iPod, the play/pause, menu, back, and forward buttons have been the normal press-to-activate buttons. The scroll wheel is the only things that has remained touch-sensitive to limit the need for moving parts.

    Didn’t you buy the player not to stare at, but to listen to? When the audio is actually playing, the on-screen interface is also poor.

    The interface has received a much-needed face lift since the release of the color-screened models, but it really doesn't matter to me. I bought my iPod to listen to the music, not stare at the screen.

    Usually the jog dial controls the volume. So how do you change the position in the file? You tap the center button.

    You can do that, or hold down the back or forward button to scan through the song, just like a normal CD player.

    The iPod doesn’t receive radio. So when you’re tired of your music, or you want to hear the news, or listen to the closed-circuit TV radio at the gym - Tough! Can’t do that with an iPod.

    I'm pretty sure that the general philosophy behind that is that 500 - 15,000 songs should be more than enough for an average gym session. So, some users may consider the addition of a radio receiver to be "unnecessary".

    iPods don’t have microphones, so you can’t record any ambient sound with them.

    No, they don't come with microphones, but you can buy a voice-recorder accessory for your iPod. There are currently three on the market. My favorite is the iTalk by Griffin Technology. I use it quite frequently.

    Other mp3 players usually cost $100 less than their comparable iPod counterparts.

    Hm, I think that you'll have to cite a few examples of that. We really don't see that much of a difference these days. For example, the 20GB iRiver H10 costs $299, which is exactly the same price as the 30GB iPod Video, and the iRiver H10 doesn't play video files, but it does come with an integrated FM tuner. The 30GB Zen Vision:M costs $329, which is $30 more than the 30GB iPod Video, and it also does not play video files, but it does come in five different colors with an integrated FM tuner.

    I hope that I haven't been too "forward". I just wanted to clear up a few issues. Have a good day! ^_^

  4. All good points, mostly catching me up on the current state of iPod affairs after having to deal with Berta's old iPod. A few replies, though:

    My main point about iTunes and the music store is that music purchased through the store that is attached to the primary method for adding new items to your iPod will not play on other players should something happen to your iPod and you wanted to change players to a non-iPod.

    In spite of any availability of 3rd party cables, the connector on the iPod would require that I carry an additional cable with me when I travel, rather than just using a standard USB cable, like the retractable ZipLinq cable that my notebook mouse uses.

    Yes, the newer press-to-activate buttons are better. But do they have a tactile method for locating them? Can you feel where the play button is without groping the whole device or looking at it?

    FM in a gym scenario is practical in spite of the file capacity. For example, my gym has the treadmills and bikes facing the television. The weight machines are spread around the gym away from those machines. When I'm on the cardio machines, I listen to the audio from the TV in front of me, usually the news. When I'm on the weight machines, music. So it's not so far fetched.

    Doesn't it seem odd to lay down even another $20 on an external microphone apparatus for a device I just spent hundreds on?

    Perhaps the price disparity isn't so great, especially compared feature-for-feature. Creative Zen Micros and iPod Nanos are about the same price. The Zen has double the capacity for the same price. Granted, the screen isn't in color, but I didn't buy it to watch the screen. Plus it has the FM tuner and built-in microphone, and a face that doesn't scratch when you rub it with the slightest abrasive.

    I'm still not really convinced that the iPod is anything special beyond the brand name. Even that it sells in droves doesn't convince me of anything but that there are people who have been convinced that the Apple brand equates with quality and functionality that they may not know they can get at least as much of elsewhere. And since having an iPod like all of your friends doesn't do anything for you functionally, why do it?

  5. My main point about iTunes and the music store is that music purchased through the store that is attached to the primary method for adding new items to your iPod will not play on other players should something happen to your iPod and you wanted to change players to a non-iPod.

    True, very true, but I believe that I'm on the wrong side of the fence for that issue. My library is about 90% CD-imported audio and 10% iTMS purchased music. So, at least 90% of my library is instantly convertible, and I have no problem with using one of the DRM removers/converters to take care of the other 10%. On the other hand, I will probably use iPods forever, so I haven't thought about that too much.

    In spite of any availability of 3rd party cables, the connector on the iPod would require that I carry an additional cable with me when I travel, rather than just using a standard USB cable, like the retractable ZipLinq cable that my notebook mouse uses.

    True again. You could get a ZipLinq-like cable for your iPod, but that would still count as "carrying an additional cable".

    Yes, the newer press-to-activate buttons are better. But do they have a tactile method for locating them? Can you feel where the play button is without groping the whole device or looking at it?

    Only if you use the screen, sides, and bottom as a guide. ^_-

    Doesn’t it seem odd to lay down even another $20 on an external microphone apparatus for a device I just spent hundreds on?

    Not really. Just because you spend hundreds on a device doesn't mean that it has to come with an internal microphone. My car didn't come with an internal microphone, and I spent thousands on that.

    Perhaps the price disparity isn’t so great, especially compared feature-for-feature. Creative Zen Micros and iPod Nanos are about the same price. The Zen has double the capacity for the same price. Granted, the screen isn’t in color, but I didn’t buy it to watch the screen. Plus it has the FM tuner and built-in microphone, and a face that doesn’t scratch when you rub it with the slightest abrasive.

    Very true again, but there is one major difference between the two. The Creative Zen Micro is hard drive-based, where as the iPod Nano is flash-based. No matter how trivial that sounds, I know many people who chose the iPod Nano over the Zen Micro simply because it had "no moving parts". Unfortunately, flash memory is more expensive than hard drives, so the capacity of the iPod Nano has to suffer in this comparison.

    And since having an iPod like all of your friends doesn’t do anything for you functionally, why do it?

    Again, I believe that I'm on the wrong side of the fence for that issue. I bought my first iPod back when people were asking, "Since having a Rio like all of your friends doesn’t do anything for you functionally, why do it?" That is exactly why I purchased my first iPod, and I have stayed loyal to that brand ever since. I just haven't seen anything that particularly interests me in any of the other brands.

  6. The iPod is a decent mp3 player, and it has influenced the revolution. If you were going to buy an mp3 player based simply on "I heard this one was good", you could do much, much worse.

    The reason I wrote this post was to illustrate that the iPod is not the end-all of mp3 players, and that consumers who care about spending hundreds of dollars on something the size of a deck of cards should choose a device because it is appropriate and well-suited to their needs, not just because it has a little apple engraved on the back.

  7. Give me a Creative Zen any day.

  8. "My main point about iTunes and the music store is that music purchased through the store that is attached to the primary method for adding new items to your iPod will not play on other players should something happen to your iPod and you wanted to change players to a non-iPod."

    then don't buy music through the Apple Music Stores? I never have. i go to the shops and buy these shiny disk-like things called CD's, then load em on. It's nice to have a physical back up :-D

  9. My major, major gripe with the ipod is that it won't play back ogg files. And no, I'm not transcoding: I refuse to. On that note, I at least attempted to deal with a rio player that claimed to support ogg. But ogg support was spotty at best - some files would refuse to play at all, others would play with cracks and pops. I've come to the conclusion that the Rio players don't support oggs :(

    As for why apple doesn't support ogg, why is this? I know that there was a page somewhere on the net that made the argument that the 3g ipods couldn't do the decoding because of hardware limitations. What about the newer ones that can display video for cripes' sakes. The only conclusion I can draw is that the music industry is putting pressure on apple.

    And I agree completely: the lack of a user servicable battery is a big turn-off.

  10. "The reason I wrote this post was to illustrate that the iPod is not the end-all of mp3 players, and that consumers who care about spending hundreds of dollars on something the size of a deck of cards should choose a device because it is appropriate and well-suited to their needs, not just because it has a little apple engraved on the back."

    If that was your intent, were you just a little harsh? I totally agree with your stated premise (People very often get caught up with the "cult of personality"). Maybe you'd consider not titling the post "why xxxxxx suck"! ;)

    It'd be hard for anyone to argue that there aren't a good number of alternative mp3 players, all with differing features and specs. Some of the most impressive alternatives are still being released. And even though you might "blame" Apple for adding to the newfound popularity, I also think any attempt to convince cooler heads to shop based on their needs and not based solely on brand is valid.

    Having said that, let me give you a first-time user's experience: When I brought home a Nano and handed it to my wife to play with, I did so with no explanations. We were both iPod novices at this point. She's jamming away, when all of a sudden she stops and stares at me, brow furrowed. "What"? I ask a bit worried. "Nothing," she says,"I was just... it did exactly what I wanted it to do, but I don't really know how I did it." Overall, she said, it all made sense intuitively without her even really KNOWING how to use it.

    While similar things might be said of some other models and brands of their user interaction designs, I think we need to remember that that type of user centered engineering, along with the specs, will always be a factor in determining how/whether something gets used/purchased.

  11. Hmm... Saying "X sucks" about something that people have an emotional attachment to ilicits the kind of response that I'm looking for on my posts. ;)

    As far as your wife's first time experience goes, I have two simple comments. First, I'm not surprised that pushing the "play" button causes the music to play. After all, people have become accustomed to the universal symbols for "play", "next track", "stop", etc. It's gratifying that in this case Apple chose to stick with the conventional interface designs, as opposed to how they've designed iTunes for PC.

    Second, I am kind of surprised that she immediately took to the scroll wheel. I've met people who have zero exposure to the iPod phenomenon who need to be told about the inductive wheel. It doesn't really seem like something you should be able to do - there is no explicit UI design that implies that you can do that with it, especially since more recent models include the rocker buttons as part of the wheel.

    I'm still left to wonder whether such UI design was done because it is what we would expect, or that we've come to expect it should work that way because that's how the iPod does it. For example, if Apple had used a linear sensor instead of a wheel, would that be the "correct" way, or could someone displace them by providing a wheel-based UI? Since the Creative Zen uses a linear sensor, I might guess that the wheel was the correct choice, but then how do I weigh that against the brand factor?

    It all makes my head hurt. It's easier just to say that the iPod sucks and wait until Palm produces a Treo with a hard drive in it so I can call it superior to the lot of these mp3-only devices. :)

  12. Craig Rigby

    Interesting post... I do however thing that you don't really know much about iTunes and you are just having a go at the ipod coz everyone else doesn't... they are clearly superb mp3 players and itunes is a very good package.... there are many other good players out there for sure... however i think that apple have got it right as usual... as anyone who has used any apple product will know.... they just WORK.... simple, easy and nice :)

  13. I'm actually the owner of a Creative Zen Micro, and I love it to pieces. However I have plenty of friends who own iPod Minis, and from using them time to time I can attest that they are very functional, neat, and good-looking mp3 players. The only reason I bought the Zen Micro instead was because it had an extra gig, and I liked the idea of the removable disk option for storing files to take between computers. (Plus, I couldn't find any pink iPods, but the store had a pink Zen - that's what finally swung it.) The Zen cost me quite a bit extra too, although I got it at a heavily discounted special. The iPod is quite good at the price you pay for it.

    Now that the new iPods with video capacities are out, I'm interested in getting one of those as soon as possible. (Though at nearly $500 Australian I'll be saving for a while... o.O") I really couldn't care less what brand something is. iPods are easy-to-use little things and I like them just as much as I like my own Zen Micro. There really isn't anything wrong with them. That's just my oppinion anyway.

    Toodles
    ~Kazzi

  14. Many of your arguments are quite valid, especially those concerning iTunes. Quite frankly, I hate iTunes, and I never use it.

    But I do have an iPod.

    I've been using ml_iPod, a plugin for Winamp that allows me to control my iPod, and let me "drag & drop" MP3 files through Winamp's Media Library.

    If you use Winamp, it's worth checking out.

    http://winamp.com/plugins/details.php?id=138888

    I don't know if it has video support, but (IMHO) all I care about is the music, and I see no sense is using a music player with a tiny bloody screen to watch a TV show I'm not interested in in the first place

  15. In my experience saying anything negative about Apple's products (deserving or not) attracts the attention of fanboys like bees to flowers. They come in waves: the smarter ones actually have coherent arguments.

  16. I have to agree with you Owen. As anyone who has been to the dark side (owned an Apple product) knows, there is only one way to do stuff with Apple products and that's the Apple way. If you don't do stuff the way they intend, your life will be miserable. Search my blog and you will find all kinds of rants about Apple products. I hate their products and refuse to buy any of them any more.

    Sadly, we are in the minority, the iPod will sell on and lead the market for years to come. People fail to realize that Apple simply made pretty a portable mp3 player design that has been around for a number of years. Most people don't have any idea that non iPod mp3 players exist.

    I'm happy with my Creative Zen.. I saved money, I have more flexability and it sounds just fine. The iPod zombies can babble on all they want, they got ripped off.

  17. You know, I'm an old guy, a child of the 60's. There has always been a schism between Apple/Mac people and the rest of the world. I don't think I ever fit into either category. The debate is now more than 20 years old and will probably go on forever. Why? Because people are individuals and we each have an opinion. My opinion is that people should always look for a solution that fits them.

    I have an iPod 40GB and a Creative Nomad 128MB and will be getting an iPod Shuffle before Christmas. Each serves a different need. I like to carry around my entire CD library and audiobooks library. My iPod gives me the flexibility to do this. The Nomad is used by my daughter who is mentally retarded/learning disabled. It is small so that she can wear it around her neck while she listens to books or music. And it is simple to use. The iPod Shuffle will be for my wife who wants to start listening to audiobooks. Why did I choose the Shuffle. Because I got a gift certificate for it. However, I would have gotten it anyway because it's cost is comparable to other devices.

  18. j. brotherlove

    Interesting points. After resisting Apple for years, I received an iPod Mini as a gift. Loved it! That is, until it lost the ability to hold a charge - and this is within less than a year.

    I'm currently looking at alternatives - like Creative and Cowon. The size of the mini was perfect but I wouldn't mind more space.

    BTW, I hated iTunes right off the bat. I listen to music on my computer with Media Center and use Anapod to manage my iPod. When it worked, anyway.

  19. I suggest you do your research and read the manual before making misinformed claims about a product. Most of the points you make can be refuted by quickly reading the manual, exercising common sense, are matters of personal preference or just wrong.

  20. Ha ha!

    What I'm going to do is forward your comment (#20) to everyone who owns an iPod and has said, essentially, "No, you suck" in response to this post. It will serve as a hollow formulated response for when anyone disses your beloved status symbol, and the rest of us non-Kool-Aid-drinkers can calmly ignore the lot of you.

  21. MasterSheep

    #20 has a point though. As with any other electronic device, the iPod requires you actually learn how to use it. It appears that most of your problems with the iPod have to do with the fact that it doesn't jump out of the box, into your hands, read your mind, and immediately play any song you want it to.

  22. ...which surely I could figure out it didn't do by reading the manual. Yet, it wasn't my complaint that I couldn't figure out how to use it, but rather that the user interface was poorly designed.

    Yes, I would prefer that it read my mind and immediately play whatever song I was thinking of. But since I'm practical, I would only wish for a well-designed UI, and I am not convinced this one is as great as iPod owners would have everyone believe.

    Moreover, in the few instances where it tries to read my mind (automatically transferring files form iTunes to the iPod), it does so quite poorly and seems to force me toward a manual just to sort out those issues.

  23. The fact is, Apple designs their interfaces of everything to be easy to figure out for people who are too technically inept to program their VCRs. For those of us that have a mind for how PCs work, Creative is a much better option... i've never been confused by my Zen Xtra... which by the way gave me 40 gigs for under $200.

  24. frankenbulge!!!

    I think ipods are cool but... since like everyone has one I dont want to be like all the rest and have the same crap in my lap. and apple for one instance only focuses on style, looks, ease of use... but one thing that really dissapointed me was the sound its alright but my zen touch 20gb really kills the ipod in sound quality not style but, who cares about style. honestly is that not something girls should worry about??? another thing I dislike about it is how annoyingly small it is, and the smaller something is the easier it is to lose it. but anyway thats my opinion if somebody starts whining about my opinion then I would consider you a bleak form of life which sucks at living...

  25. I currently own an iPod Mini and I love it to death. I am also aware that there are many disadvantages both money and functionwise. Like how you cant listen to the iPod while charging it on a computer, but you can buy a dock that lets you play it on speakers and charge at the same time. That costs money though. I dont regret buying it. The Mini's dont scratch very easily, they're a pretty good size, and I absolutely love the design with the touch-sensitive scroll wheel and the color. They DID have pink by the way.(I cant believe they stopped making mini's) I am all for apple products (go garage band!) and have been buying them since ever.

    About iTunes. If you want backup for your songs you can always burn them onto a CD. And if you ever decide to choose a different MP3 player you can always import the CD's. The prices are a bit bloated though.

  26. Seems like a waste of money to me to burn potentially 40GB of music back onto CD to have to rip it again. To each his own.

  27. I am with Owen on all of this. I bought a 3G 20Gig ipod when they first came out and it was all fun for a while. Until the battery broke literally a week after the warranty was up. Also one night I turned off my ipod and went to bed, woke up to have the play button not work. I did not drop it or anything, it just simply stopped working. Despite the fact that they have support for battery replacement and you can buy 3rd party tools to change them, you shouldnt have to. What happened to customer support, have you ever tried to talk to apple customer service if your warranty is up, they dont give two shits about you. And for those of you who think apple products are perfect, they are far from. This battery issue isn't limited to just the ipod. I have seen many cases of ibook batteries failing soon after warranty ends. Who knows maybe it is coincidance, but if there wasn't an issue with the batteries, why is there so much discussion about it. I think some of the random(or not so random) problems with the ipod leaves a bad taste in people's mouths, including myself. I for one will never buy another apple product after having the customer service reps treat me like shit. But to each his own. Just remember, if it wasn't for microsoft, there would be no apple today. If you don't know what I am talking about, do some homework.

  28. Yeah, I just got a 30gig video iPod for X-Mas and it's been nothing but trouble since I opened the box, most of the problems stemming from the fact that some peripherals and features that were available with older generations of iPods not being available with the newer ones. I don't like being pressured into spending money, and so Apple has really pissed me off with this new generation of iPod, and here's why...

    My first beef:
    The new iPod does not come with a wall-outlet charger. Instead, it comes with only a USB cable that doubles up as a battery charger and a data transfer cable, sucking it's power from your PC/Mac. Meaning I can't just charge my iPod wherever, whenever I want. I must be near a computer that has the iPod/iTunes CD-Rom information installed, and, of course, 5-10 minutes to get everything started up, plugged in, and ready to go.

    Beef number 2:
    Apple has always been good with giving a fair estimate in terms of battery life and how many hours of playback time you can get with their iPods, but this time around, they definately went overboard. Apple boasts around 20 hours of play time, and 4 hours if youre playing simply video items. I've had the iPod for 3 days, and have had to charge it from dead empty 2 times. And I haven't even been using it that much! So far, I have taken it with me on my walks to work and back home, which take between 10 and 15 minutes each way, and other than that, I have barely touched it except a few times to show off my large index of mp3s. By this evidence, my best estimate on iPod's battery life as solely a music player is around 5 hours... MAYBE. I can only assume that it's video playback life length is a quarter of that. Hardly enough time to watch an episode of "24".

    La troisieme beef:
    Peripherals for iPods that they were selling just months ago are no good with the new video iPods. The peripherals for the new iPods are slowly starting to be released to the public, and at almost DOUBLE the prices of the old ones when they first came out. An example of this is the iTrip, a fun little FM transmittor you clip in to the top of your iPod that allows music playback from your iPod to your car radio. The new generation iPods are missing the important plug-ins for such peripherals. This means waiting for the new generation ones to come out instead of using the ones you bought just months ago, and pay twice as much. Talk about being cornered!

    Fourth beef:
    So the keyword in video iPod would be... VIDEO. And what kind of videos can the new iPod play? Almost none, except ones you can BUY off of Apple's website, or, have the patience to take one of your own downloaded videos and convert to the applicable video format: Quicktime iPod video. And how can one do this? By using Quicktime Pro. How does one get Quicktime Pro? By upgrading your current free Quicktime for 30 goddamn dollars. And if you do manage to steal/buy this, (through my own experimentation) to convert a 2 minute long music video (in this case, I chose a live version of Lifetime's 'The Boy's No Good') takes about 15-20 minutes to complete. Worth it? Hardly. Not when you have a video player battery life of an hour and a half.

  29. I don't like iPods, I am a Creative guy myself. I have had a Nomad Zen Extra 30 GB for about two years now and it still works just fine. I love how I can manage everything, from sound quality to space. Bands I don't really care for I keep at low quality and small space, my favorite bands are at max quality and take up a lot of space, but is space a problem for me? Nope, I am at two thirds of the hard drive being full. People always comment on how large it is. I have never seen a problem with it, it is much smaller than any CD player, it fits in my pocket unnoticable and who cares how it looks hen it is safely tucked away? After all, this is a personal media player. Now all iPods have a color screen, that drains the battery like crazy, black and white with a nice blue lit backround works great, I can even control the contrast and how long the backlight stays on for, all to keep my patter life where I want it. Alas, now is the time I am thinking of upgrading, why? Not because I am unhappy with my mp3 player, but because I want to start carrying videos around. I have a large collection of Music Videos and always thought it would be cool to have them at school without having to take my laptop. The solution is not the new iPod with video, I have decided on the Zen Vision: M. I was going to buy the regular vision, but this M really takes the prize. You all may think it's a rip off of apple, but the predecessor had the same specs with a slightly large screen and a larger overall size. All Creative changed was the size and color options. I recently downloaded a freeware program online and transfered my music videos and favorite movies from DVD to my computer (making sure I was saving them in the right file and resolution) An average movie in Mpeg4 format is roughly 2Gigs, so I am gonna have a few, and my music video collection is two gigs. I am going to take my favorite artists from my Nomad and transfer them onto the Vison (Using two simple USB2 cables)(not to mention, I can listen to my mp3 over my computer while I am ripping songs, as well as fully utalize it while charging it on any wall outlet.) and be one happy camper.

  30. I don't own an IPod and, based on experience to date, sorting out those belonging to my kids, I never, ever will.

    As already noted, iTunes is hideously slow and clunky (We're not talking about transfer speed, just the time to start and do anything)

    The song format is proprietary

    In a misguided attempt at DRM, you can't offload tunes from IPod to PC (Unless you find third party software - which makes as much sense as buying a car then having to buy an aftermarket reverse gear 'cos the manufacturer thinks folk should only go forwards)

    Ditto for using the IPod on more than one PC.

    The biggest turnoff is that, with monotonous regularity, BOTH the kids iPods randomly loose songs and/or fail to be recognised by iTunes. One doing strange things could be put down to a fault, but both devices exhibiting the same problem is bloody suspicious.

    Oh, the "Official " forum - you know the kind of place you'd go before you made a (moderately expensive) buying decision - requires you to enter the (previously registered) serial number of your iPod. Nobody else is welcome, thank you.

    All in all: iPods - no thanks.

  31. the creative zen micro photo and the i pod nano cost the same here are the differances
    nano:flash memory 4gig the screen to the ipod nano is horrible and prone to damage no fm tuner or recorder and you cant change the battery yourself
    ZEN micro photo: micro drive 8gig color screen fm tuner and fm recorder voice recorder changable battery
    all in all they cost the same but the creative has twice the memory and probably twice the life and way more features creative can also be used with windows media player which is very easy to navigate so which is the obvouse choice

    to mac man x the zen vision m does play videos

  32. Craig Hartel

    I got a 60Gb video iPod for Christmas. Previously I had purchased an iPod Shuffle which I loved, and have since given it to my son. I've also owned a 1Gb SanDisk MP3 player and found it to be very good as well. My youngest son now owns that.

    I don't know of ANY device that doesn't have drawbacks, whether it be proprietary formats, hardware issues, etc., and on that point, I think it's pretty much a waste of time to argue which player is "better".

    My Sony Mini-disk player was pretty cool...it worked just fine as a player, but the software that came with it was atrocious. Add to that the Sony DRM issues, and you have a difficult device to use. The player itself was and is perfectly good, but I don't use it any more.

    An interesting topic, to say the least, but I'm not convinced that my iPod is any better or any worse than anything else out there. It does what I want, and has a ton of very nice features which I'm enjoyed immensely, most notably the direct link to the iPod from my camera which saves me from having to buy more memory cards.

    All in all I'm very happy with it, as I have been with all the devices that I've owned (software headaches aside.)

  33. I have an iPod myself, but for the most part agree with your post. I just don't have enough control over my iPod. As you pointed out, I can't make it stay on the setting that lets me change its location in the track without it just reverting back to the volume adapter. I can't gaze longingly at the image of the CD case (which, though pretty useless, really is a nice bonus) without it quickly reverting back to the volume adapter. I can't organize my music exactly how I want (for example by artist, then date -- or any old order) without altering the names of the albums and tracks. These are all minor gripes, but given the steep price of any mp3 player, they really should have these features! Worst of all is the mandatory gap between songs, which really takes me out of the mood when listening to concept albums, DJ mixes, classical music, or any other CD that blends tracks together. I can't speak for other mp3 players since I only have an iPod, but iPods anyway just don't seem to be designed for real music fans, as much as those who just listen to whatever's at the top of the pops. And what's the deal with the offensively cheap headphones?

    True story: my iPod stopped working within a month of owning it, I brought it back and exchanged it, and the guy at the apple store told me to prevent it from happening again that I should be turning off my virus checker every time I plug my ipod in. How's that for convenient?

  34. What I particularly dislike about the iPod is that most iPod (and other Apple product) owners will turn a blind eye to all the defects of Apple products. Irreplaceable batteries, poorly designed (and proprietary!) software, lack of accessories and functions... This all matters, people! I'm not saying that all iPod owners do this, it's just a strong trend I've noticed.

    If you're in the market for an mp3 player, please look at others before deciding on the iPod. I can almost guarantee you'll find something you like better. A few brands to check out:
    Creative Zen: Very nice and well-designed.
    Cowon: My personal favorite. The sound quality is UNMATCHED by any other player I've used.
    Archos: If you want a real video player, look at some of these.

    Please be smart consumers.

  35. My Palm TX plays many mp3 formats, and several video formats; avi, mpg, asf, wmv.... iPod had the lock on downloadable tv shows, but that won't last.. the product will follow the money. I can listent to music or a podcast and work on a Word doc or Excel sheet at the same time or play solitare, or examine my schedule.... As others have said, you'll be happier with a more functional device!

  36. The Dell DJ works for me. (The 15GB, not that crappy new Ditty)

  37. I bought a creative zen touch 40 gb last month. A week later the thing crashed on me and I took it back to the store. I opted for iRiver 512 mb mp3 player to use at the gym and got the rest of my money back. It works great. My CD player in my car plays MP3's and WMA's, as well as my dvd player, plus I have my computer connected to my 2 stereos in my apartment. I probably will not buy a hard drive based player in the near future. You can get an external hard drive for fractions of the cost and 5 times the space. For me, MP3/WMA cds are the way to go, plus cd-r's are a dime a dozen.

  38. Why do you think they are one of the best mp3 players? I'm unconvinced.

    I am probably wrong about iTunes overloading the iPod with music, since there is an option to manage that. Of course, "overloading" is the default setting. And you didn't address any of the other points I made.

  39. If you want something sleek and sexy, get a Zune. Its definately not as bad as people say it is, but its also definately not as good compared to what else is out there.

    If you dont care for a little more bulk, get a creative zen vision M or a Toshiba Gigabeat. They both offer higher sound quality compared to the obvious other choices and offer way more features and file formats than the "other" choices as well.

    I have a Zune and its definately not what i had hoped. the wifi is nice, could be worked on and has great potential in the future. Not yet a good enough product to switch from whatever you are used to, but plan on buying one in the future. Oh yea, it is also compatible with itunes, not linking with the program, but to the store downloads. It is basically a mix of the Gigabeat and the ipod.

    But i think we all need to realize that the ipod isnt that bad, its just that there is better stuff out there that is not as popular. the ipod is a perfect choice for LEGAL downloads, but honestly, who does that? 90% of the target market uses limewire or takes music from friends.

    the first question to ask urself before you buy an mp3 player is "do i want to download legal or illegal files." then go from there, but dont always assume the ipod will be the best choice.

  40. I work in a electronic retailer where I work on commission and I'll still tell people to avoid the iPod.

  41. IPods are used for the entertainment of people today but with all the proof they can hurt us why would we want to buy our kids these products! but with arguements not coming out to much how can we disagree?

  42. Finally glad to see someone besides me ranting about their hatred towards iPods. I have pretty much tried all the different builds over the years and I am still NOT impressed. I have also tried numerous Zens as well.

    Currently I use a Cowon X5. This device works with linux, mac, pcs right out of the box. It shows up as another drive and you simply drag files into the music folder. No software needed here. Oh not to mention it has an FM tuner, Recorder, displays lyrics, photos, and even text files. It also plays videos (but this needs improvements) but at least its there.
    And I am not controlled by file formats either. I get to use OGG, FLAC, WMA, ASF, WAV, MPEG4 formats.

    I think the biggest difference I see is the actual sound quality the iPods lack. My X5 has some of the best ratings in this department.

    Apple does terrific job in their marketing department and makes sure their products are noticed. IMO this is why the iPods exploded as the ONLY mp3 device to buy because the normal consumer does not research other options.

    Thanks Owen, thats my 2 cents.

  43. Awesome post, that makes me happy to read. I work for a large retail company that sells MP3 players. I'm tired of dealing with Sheeple that give into the fad. There are so many better products out there. I adore any of the Creative Zen products, as well as the Sandisk Sansas. Far more reliable, easier to use... I want to cry every time I can't talk someone out of an iPod.

  44. Chris Foster

    I personally think that ipods are one of the best mps players. i think you are wrong on saying that Itunes will overload your ipod with music when you can change it into chosing the songs you want.

  45. There are plenty of subscription models that are not the iTunes Music Store that a legal channels for getting music. The Zune connects with all of them except iTunes Music Store. Conversely, the iPod connects to only the iTunes Music Store. So, you pick what you like.

    What is not good about the Zune (just like the iPod) is that its supported video format is not the native format of the videos I would like to watch. And so I would need to spend hours converting them, and hold teh storage space open for that process. Yuck. I want a portable DivX player.

    Functionally, the Zune is great. It doesn't have the lousy inductive controls that all of these other players have glommed onto. I don't know how it connects to the PC, but I know that you can enable support for it as a USB hard drive, and that's as easy as anything. Letting me manage my own files is a good thing.

  46. I purchased my first Ipod in February '06. After a few months it stopped working so I sent it back in the special box they made me buy and was very careful about packing it. I was then contacted and told there was a dent in it and they will not repair it. I told them there was no dent when it left and I would like it repaired. They said it would cost me up to $300. I said what is a warranty for then??? I called someone else and was told it had a crack in it now not a dent, and the reason they would not honor the warranty is because they don't fix them, they replace them because they cannot be fixed. Well I argued with them because it had neither a crack nor a dent, and I wanted them to repair or replace it under the warranty as I have heard of others saying their Ipods just stop working. I contacted the BBB and it took a couple of months for Apple to even respond. Then, they just repeated their warranty and had nothing to say about what I had asked about the two different claims--meaning crack/dent? When it was returned there were no cracks or no dents. They just did not want to honor the warranty, and I will NEVER buy another one of their products as the BBB says there is nothing more they can do.

  47. IPODS do Suck!
    Creative Zen Nano 1GB
    - ZEN Built in FM tuner, sound is crystal clear, IPOD have to purchase seperatley
    - ZEN Drag and drop files, no software to load unless you want to, IPOD/ITUNES=NIGHTMARE
    - ZEN record straight from music source and encode to MP3 w/the player, IPOD have to use ITUNES
    - Enough said!

  48. i have a zen extra...30 gig i love it...its loud it can hold lots of music you can get around through the songs very easy,easy replacable battery big lcd screen make playlists....very very easy to use and the ipod...i just dont like them they look to easy to break very expensive the only one i would think of having is thew ipod video but there made by apple...the same company that made the macs there not good enough for me

  49. So im the new mp3 player associate at circuit city and a large chunk of our profits come from ipods.

    so i did some research as to why people buy them...

    The ipod:
    sexy look, great controls, design, everyone has one, new fad

    All other mp3 players:
    not so sexy, cheaper, more features, longer battery life (replaceable too), controls may be better or worse (depends on user preference), more control over music.

    So why do people flock towards buying the ipos over everything else? its quite simple... the look and the advertising. sure, we all think ipods are sexy and the newest fad (kinda like the razor). if you want an mp3 player just for the look, hell, the ipod is most likely the best way to go.

    but for those of us who want more bang for the buck, take anything else. creative and samsung offer awesome alternatives to the ipods that offer way more features than any ipod will for a cheaper price tag.

    i guess its all a matter of who wants to be more popular or who wants to actually ENJOY their music. it may not even be your own music too. with ipods, ur restricted to one computer. with my zen, i can go to any computer and transfer music that i dont have and have the option to send it back to my computer as well.

    the ipod buyers are the ones who do not think before they act, unless their motive is to buy a sexy player and just a sexy player. im not saying that other mp3 players are ugly, it all depends on the opinion. but to have ipod users say that ipods are the best is just rediculous (other than for looks and design, that seems to be the only reasonable comeback).

    sure, most other mp3 players arent as slim either, but when it looks like i can snap it in half and is in my pocket 90% of the time (wont show off the SEXYNESS), im not gonna buy it. plus if i cant do what i want, when i want, with my music, it will kinda make me wish i looked into other options.

    so lets recap...

    ipods offer:
    sexy design, cool controls, easy interface with a pong game, more friends, plenty of useless accessories to get you more friends and more $$ for apple, a few colors (depends on model)

    ipods dont offer:
    radio(purchase seperate), alternative music sources (either subscription services or other computers), recorders (i personally have no use for it, but others do...keep that in mind), change of wallpaper, wma format, higher sound quality (depends on comparable mp3 player of choice)

    So if you want a device that you hook up, slap music on it and go out into the world showing off your ipod making friends with other ipeople, not even realizing that you have music on it and slowly becoming a bitch to society, then the ipod is a great choice! in fact, buy 2!

    If you want to listen to high quality music without restrictions on what you can do with it, listen to alternative music sources, share music at free will, laugh at the ipeople who are trading nano covers like pokemon cards, and not pay hundreds on accessories that are already built into your device of choice, then an alternative mp3 player is what you should look out for.

    do some research before you make a purchase, and ask yourself what i have stated above before making the final decision. it will definately help you out in the long run.

    and im not even gonna proofread what i wrote, so if there are any grammar errors, just deal with them and move on.

  50. I read alot of these posts and what a lot ipod fanboys failed to mention is how after certain period of times most ipods start acting up when you use them with your PC. I assume most of you are mac users and have never experience the folder of death. You know, the small folder with an exclamation mark which indicates your ipod hard Drive will never work again. I'm up to my third ipod.I used my warranty to get the last 2. Everytime I'd take the ipod for repair at the apple store I'd get a blank look and they'd just give me a new ipod. Well, my warranty just expired and my latest Ipod is not working anymore. Apple just lost a customer--I'm looking elsewhere for my music needs.I know I'm not the only one with this problem--otherwise why would I have to wait almost half a day so someone could look at my Ipod and tell me they don't understand why the hard drive crashed.

  51. good piece...I got a 20 gb 4th generation ipod right after it came out for my birthday. It was good, but it really didnt like the click wheel. Then it stopped working for no apparent reason and apple didnt do S***. Then i got a video and i liked it then same thing. the screen cracked on its own. and again appl didnt stand behind their product. Now i have a zen sleek photo. 20 gb, 160 dollars, AND creative actually vacks it up. Apple sucks.

  52. My biggest beef with ipods is that everyone has no idea what the difference is between an ipod and an mp3 player. I work at circuit city and actually sell them every day. I actually had someone recent call up and ask if we carried the apple microsoft ipod zune. People just love it because they know what it is and they refuse to even look at anything else. Not that they are bad particularly bad products but I think you should at least understand what else is out there before you jump in head first. My Personal favoriate is the sandisk sansa player, it has a similar interface to the ipod, but it has a mechanical turn wheel that is easy to use. It also has a voice recorder an fm tuner and recorder and an memory slot for a micro sd card. Plus we are selling it at circuit city for 159 for the 4gb right now. People will buy anything cause of a name not just with the ipods, People will spend more to get a familar name then a better chaper product with a diffrent brand name.

  53. ipods do suck. I can't sync it with my moms' computer and mine and all my music is on hers but if i put it on mine all my music will be erased. Also you CAN'T REMOVE SONGS!OMG! my brother added some folk lord song thats drives me nuts and I can't get rid of them. They could be used for good songs but NOOOOOOOO. Ipod wants u to waste your money on another one.

  54. Well, my much beloved-Ipod Nano just passed on about two or three days ago. I got a lot of use out of it, and it was about two years old (yeah, yeah I know). It did well, even though I did have a few problems in the beginning with it resetting itself for no reason and freezing (I had to take it back to the store multiple times). I used it when I would go on walks, and go to the gym, I never used podcasts, and a few irritating details did give me a bit of grief. The thing that irritated me the most was that I found that I couldn't sync my friends computer with it without deleting all my music, (I have tons on hers).

    I recently bought a Zen Vision: M, and I LOVE it, it comes with better features (radio, microphone..etc) and its just easier to use and doesn't give me as much grief ... I haven't had any malfunctions yet.

  55. The ipod is a good concept but, the final product sucks. There are way too many hardware issues with the ipods causing them to freeze and completley stop working as did my 4th gen. ipod. To restore it you have to fork over money for an over priced wall charger and to fix a hardware problem you have to fork over almost as much, if not as much as the ipod's worth. As for the new video ipods, they're not worth it. You're better off getting a Creative Zen Vision M. They are very simular to the ipod for the same price. You can play music, videos, and view pictures. They come in an assortmant of colors 30gb or 60gb. The playback time is longer. There are many more sound and video formats. I still havn't figured out how to put videos on an ipod other than the "ipod" format videos. With windows format you can store twice as much music, making a 30gb like a 60 gb. The video Quality is much more colorful and clearer. There is built in FM radio. You can record stuff from real life or the built in radio and save them on the zen. You can partition part of the harddrive for disk space, somewhat like a zipdrive. Unlike the ipod this also includes the wall charger. Although the ipod's popularity is higher the Zen was rated a better MP3 player than the new ipod by C-net. Just get a Creative Zen Vision M!

  56. I agree, IPods suck. They are stupid and a waste of money. I got a much better MP3 player with more space, more features and in a smaller design for much less than a similar IPod. I'm very happy with my MP3 player, I can't live without it's radio, shuffle, bookmarks, microphone, colour display, and other features. Mind you, I do not use the software it came with. I simply stick it in and use it like a USB drive.

  57. we should form an AntiPod community lol

  58. They really aren't worth the hype. I got a 30GB video iPod for Christmas and today (Jan. 28, 2007) it has completely locked up and restoring it doesn't help at all. They are completely worthless pieces of junk...

  59. I have a Zen Vision:M and I tried out a friend's iPod Video, a Nano, and a Mini. They all suck. The only good thing is the oh-so-fabulous clickwheel. It gets tiring after awhile though.
    Ipods don't have FM built-in, no recording built-in, and are much duller in sense of color choices and screen quality. When I used the Video, I didn't feel hyped up at all. Pretty boring and annoying interface. You have to go to the main menu to make playback function choices. On the Zen Vision:M, you can just click the submenu button and choose whatever you like.

    Ipod users disappoint me... They worship the iPod, and think it's the only player brand in the world. They're plain dumba**es. Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's the best. I took out my Vision:M once and a guy asked "What kind of iPod is that?" I was thinking *what a stupid iPerson...*

    The iPod has near 62k colors in it's screen. So what? The Vision:M has 262k colors... Vibrancy to the max...

    iPods have one music store and use one piece of software. Any other players have hundreds of services which are much cheaper. $15 a month, download millions of songs. Compare that to the 99¢ of each song on iTunes...

    iPods are NOT headturners. People have seen them so much that they simply don't care. My Vision:M is a headturner, and so is any other mp3 player. (except an iPod.)

    When a Video user asked me to use my Vision:M I let him try it. He told me it kills the Video, but iPods are better than anything else overall. I was like WTF? You think this is the only MP3 player except an iPod.

    iPod users think iPods are the *inventors* of MP3 players, and anything else just copies the iPod. Just because I have a touchpad on my Zen, that doesn't mean it copied the iPod. Companies like Creative made MP3 players before Apple even thought of making them... And about the touchpad: Apple didn't invent touchpads either.

    Overall, I give the iPods a 4 out of 10... It may look good, but look for other choices. Unless you want to be like *IM THE MAN I GOTZ AN IPOD YEH COME HERE GUYZ I GOT ONE IM POPULAR NOWWWWW*, then don't get an iPod.

  60. well..
    1. It is easy for you to transfer songs from computer to computer without deleting everything. just click manually add songs.
    2. Any retard should know how to work an ipod without really having to look at it.
    3. You can change the battery and not have your stuff deleted off of it. they sell them for about 15 dollars at any computer store.
    4. Pay about 50 dollars before your warranty ends to get an extended if your that worried about something breaking on it.
    5. You can also spend about 20 dollars to buy a microphone that is very small and just plugs into the headphone jack that records right to the ipod.

  61. Well I've owned two iPods myself now and I can surely say I won't ever buy another one again! Or recommend the pieces of crap. Maybe its all mp3 players that are like this, but one day for no reason my iPod Nano decides not to charge anymore. And my ipod video? Well the hard drive just plain doesn't want to work anymore and the headset jack only plays one audio channel signal. Which means unless I have a stereo-mono jack (what's the point anyways) I can't listen to music through speakers or headphones.

    Such a waste of money. I'm going to buy a small mp3 player I can interchange songs with frequently and one that has a removable battery pack. I've never had something fall apart on me so quickly as these iPod machines. Its incredible.

  62. Ipods suck in comparison to all other PMP's out there. Just about every company beats ipod feature for feature. The only thing Ipod has going for them is there marketing...MARKETING...without it, ipod would be nothing today.

    It's really a dumbed down technology just for dummies like the those that designed it.

    I have never bought an ipod and NEVER will. They suck!

  63. Two weeks trying to restore my son's 30G video pod. My other son has an RCA that he has used for 2 years no issues.
    As for the poster HAA 15$ for battey thing 50 for extended warranty $20 for FM reciever on top of 300 for the player is plain STOOPID! (sic)

  64. This is an awesome article. I am from India ∨

    I, for one, am the research guy in our group ∏

    Also, I have been fortunate enough to divert many of the above said from buying this "fantastic" gadget. All I got to do is get a friends iPod ≤

    iPod is a non-multi-featured, is insanely restrictive ≥

    But I gotta agree it is a phenomenon...albeit a dumb one. And the low-point is that thing called iPod shuffle. Its an EMBARASSMENT to the utility-factor. I dont pity those who bought it, I actually laugh when I see one. "What were you thinking dude when you went buyng it? Did your brain just "shuffle" witht that of a donkey?"...Lol

    I agree when you label its users "suckers".
    Sorry fans, but, iPods Suck...for sure!

  65. ***Posting again since my previous commment got truncated in several places***

    This is an awesome article. I am from India ∨

    I, for one, am the research guy in our group ¬

    Also, I have been fortunate enough to divert many of the above said from buying this "fantastic" gadget. All I got to do is get someones iPod ≤

    iPod is a non-multi-featured, is insanely restrictive ∏

    I agree when you label its users "suckers".
    Sorry fans, but, iPods Suck...for sure!

  66. What is wrong with the comment section? My comments are getting truncated.

    Sheesh!

    Anyways, 2 words

    iPODS SUCK!

  67. Wow, I see that there are still quite a few ignorant sheeple using iPods. Open your eyes and become enlightend, other wise you are just usless to further development.

  68. i have a 3rd gen, 30gig ipod that has been the bane of my existence from the moment i unwrapped it. i agree with the original tone of this piece. i hate my ipod though i try not to let it know that. i hate itunes.

  69. i have an ipod nano for almost a year now, and its been giving me NOTHING but problems its fine when it works, also the instuction booklet SUCKS it doesnt tell u anything about how to put songs on it, HOW TO WORK ITUNES!! nothing...its a good thing i have friends that have this stupid thing...but its freezes so much...so my friend told me to not charge it and wear out the battery for a couple days then charge it, i dont know if that makes any sense, but hell i remember those cheap walkmans and cd players they worked better the these!!!!!!! lol

  70. Why can't I effing comment?

  71. Oooh, I get it. The author has to allow comments. That probably explains how there are so few comments disagreeing with the author... Biased.

  72. Actually, Samantha, there isn't much bias here, as you can see.

    It mostly has to do with the mindless herd of iPod users having nothing intelligent to offer the conversation, as you have so thoughtfully exhibited.

  73. Hm, I think that you'll have to cite a few examples of that. We really don't see that much of a difference these days. For example, the 20GB iRiver H10 costs $299, which is exactly the same price as the 30GB iPod Video, and the iRiver H10 doesn't play video files, but it does come with an integrated FM tuner. The 30GB Zen Vision:M costs $329, which is $30 more than the 30GB iPod Video, and it also does not play video files, but it does come in five different colors with an integrated FM tuner.

    all versions a drastic saving and have extra wanted features and get rid of all the rubbish.

    and i dont want any kind of auto sync programable or not i want to use explorer to paste the the music into my mp3 player without an advert mascarading as a program telling me what to do

  74. benedict mackay

    me again the latest zens are in full colour

  75. You guy are clueless, i bet some of you have never own a ipod to begin with. I have the new ipod touch 16gb and its way better than those cheap creative zen pieces of crap. In my opinion ipod rules and blow away the competition. If you guy are pist off because you're ipods broke when you dropped it... cry me a river! IPODS RULE!!!

  76. Ok, fanboy. This post is 3 years old. Don't get so pist off.

  77. iPods don't rule, I can assure you. For six months or so, a friend of mine let me use his 80GB iPod that his dad bought him. Not on an extended basis, of course, but I got used to using an 80GB iPod. So, I finally got an 80GB Zune for twenty dollars more or so. I had been accustomed to the use of an 80GB iPod, not the Zune.

    So, you'd think that it'd be difficult to use the Zune and I'd have to get used to it. No, in fact it took no time at all. They give you a booklet on basic functions, and there's preloaded content on using the Zune. The squircle pad 'thing' is only sensitive to human touch, and is a lot faster and easier to use than the stupid-ass scroll wheel.

    You know what else? iTunes is at 7.4 or at least in the upper echelons of 'Version 7', and it's a difficult to use piece of shit. I have Zune 2.5 which is a lot easier to use with more functionality. Guess what? My Zune supports more formats than the iPod, and I HAVE PODCASTS TOO. And Radio, and zune-zune sharing. I'm not saying that the iPod isn't 'nice' (the battery is amazing), but I like the Zune better. I'm not even a fanboy

  78. , I prefer the Archos 605 Wifi. But, the Zune is cheaper and easier to get. And the reason the Creative Zen's 30 is so expensive is because it's much smaller than other 30GBs and uses flash memory rather than hard drive memory, which is far more expensive.

    On a final note, I dislike iPods because they're made by a company notorious for bad computers and an even worse OS. Not only that, they're so damn ubiquitous that they're identified with being 'cool,' and you see the stupid things all the time. Of course, when people start getting their heads out their asses and realize that the Zune (or Zen or Archos or Cowon or Wolverine) is better than the iPod, they'll make those oversaturated and I'll like Zunes just a little less.

  79. Someone please give me an alternative to the ipod! They are horrible. I've bought three in the last 18 months and all of them have quit charging. I go to get it fixed and I have to wait 2 hours because everyone else in the north half of Dallas is there to get thier piece of crap fixed too. Please! There has to be something better?

  80. ipod dont suck u suck!!

  81. Yeah, I have a Creative Zen mp3 player, and it is waaaaay better thatn my brother's ipod nano and my mother's ipod shuffle (both of which I tried out for a little bit). For one thing, it only cost like 99 dollars. And I can acually CHOOSE what music I want to put into it. I don't understand why anyone would want an ipod. You can't even choose what tracks you want in it. Every time you plug it in, whatever tracks are in the Itunes library are immediatly loaded into the device. Pretty stupid idea. I am SOOOO glad I didn't let my mom talk me into wasting my money on an ipod. I'll just stick to my simple Zen player, thank you, no matter how uncool I look or how much I don't "fit in" with all the other suckers (no offense) with ipods.

  82. You obviously can't use a PC, because half of your problems are due to your lack of knowledge.

    Nice, long rant though.

  83. Your conclusion, with no details as to why, is that I can't use a PC because I have a lack of knowledge?

    Wow.

  84. So, you have to PAY for the Ipod, PAY for Itunes and then PAY for the songs???

  85. "The 30GB Zen Vision:M costs $329, which is $30 more than the 30GB iPod Video, and it also does not play video files, but it does come in five different colors with an integrated FM tuner."

    What are you talking about? The Zen Vision:M has better video quality that any current ipod on the market. And it comes with a microphone, FM radio and a removable disk option. And where are you getting your figures from? It's the same price as the 30GB ipod video.

  86. I am single-handedly going to bring apples bullshit down once i finish school. not through anything illegal just pure reasoning. i used to hate ms but there is nothing more lame than apple. watch me steve.

  87. Big Steamer

    I went and bought a Sansa Clip+ for $50 CAD. Without installing a single piece of software I plugged it in and it showed up as a hard drive. I copied songs over and unplugged it and I was on my way. It also plays OGG and FLAC files and can record to WAV via the built in mic. It can also record local radio stations and pause live radio. No it does not do video or have a fancy display but for anyone looking for a no-bullshit audio player I highly recommend it. I feel sorry for people who buy iPods because of the branding. Why? Because of the wheel? What's so difficult about pressing buttons? And what's the deal with syncing? Is it that difficult to understand the concept of moving songs from one device to another?

    Apple should make iTunes NOT require QuickTime to be installed with it. QuickTime skims system resources right off the top and PC users HATE it. Simple.

    Honestly if Apple wants to make something worthwhile they should make a pimpin new version of HyperCard. Fuck yeah.

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