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As a web developer, my clients require that I perform testing on all popular web browser. As a PC user, testing on Safari is difficult. Tired of goofing with my PearPC emulator, I settled down in front of eBay to shop for a cheap iBook to suit two needs: Browser testing and impressing clients with the iBook's slick facade. But there is a problem.

For me, a PC user of many years, it's easy to pick PC parts and price components. If a PC is missing some feature I want, I know whether I can add it later myself, and what it will cost to add. With Macs, I'm at a bit of a loss.

So what I'm hoping is that someone could author or link to a tutorial for used iBook buying for PC users - since it seems to me a very logical step for someone who needs a Mac or wants to try it without committing to Apple retail prices.

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Here are a few questions that I had while shopping that I could not find answers for:

  • What is the real difference between a G3 and G4?
  • What screen sizes are available in each model, and what is their true resolution?
  • How much of a difference does 100Mhz in processor power really make on performance?
  • How about memory and performance?
  • Why do people make specific mention that "the power cord works" or "battery still holds a charge" on iBook listings when you don't see that very often with PCs?
  • What parts does a retail iBook come with that could be missing from a used system?
  • Is there some issue with the keyboard rubbing on the screen that makes eBay sellers metion that there aren't any key marks on the screen?
  • Which iBooks have slot-loading drives (versus the kind with a tray), and is there a way you can tell this without seeing a photo of the drive?
  • When people talk about "scratches in the finish", it seems to be a common thing caused by regular use - how severe is it, and how careful do you need to be to prevent it?
  • Do iBooks have wifi built in? Bluetooth? Which ones?
  • Is 20GB really enough hard drive space? What can that hold practically?
  • Are all of these "motherboard/drive/screen/case needs repair" sales junk, or are they serviceable?
  • What is the difference between an iBook and a PowerBook? Who would that make a difference to?
  • What other things should someone be wary of when purchasing a used iBook?

I've never felt so overwhelmed by a computer purchase. I mean, if you're going to drop ~$700 on something, you want it to have an expectation of the performance that money is going to buy. At this point, I have no idea what that money would buy me in an Apple. If I was buying a PC, I would know exactly what to expect when the computer arrived, and would know what to look for in the listing to know whether I was getting a good deal.

I have been told that the G3 is probably good enough if I'm just going to browse with it, though I admit that if I take a liking to the machine, I might like to see it perform some other non-intense applications in the field, like HTML editing.

I was also told to discard anything with less than 512MB of RAM, since that much RAM would make any iBook seem snappy. This is a real concern when using the system in front of clients. There's only so much you can blame on bandwidth, you know?

It was also mentioned that the PowerBook would make more of an impression on clients than an iBook, but I have a philosophy on this, not knowing the true physical difference between iBooks and PowerBooks. Clients are going to mentally register one of several thoughts when they see the notebook, primarily one of these:

  • "Now we're getting to business" - This indicates that I could have used a PC notebook to do the same thing and they wouldn't have cared; a zero sum effect.
  • "Oooh cool, a Mac" - This basically indicates that they are impressed that I would use this brand to do my work - for whatever reason that might be. In that case, I feel that the iBook is more readily recognized as that brand than the more PC-looking PowerBook.
  • "Oh, it's just an iBook" - This person is disappointed that I'm not using a PowerBook, and well, that doesn't mean much to me because the Windows PC I'm probably going to use to do their work is more powerful in my hands than any PowerBook would be anyway.
  • "Oh no, a Mac!" - A hater. Strangely, you might think me in this category at first, but really I'm very non-denominational. If it does the job, it works for me. And if they think I can't do their work because I'm toting a Mac, then ok - that's weird. (On the other hand, don't mistake me for a switcher. It's going to take more than a used iBook to switch from thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of hardware, software, tools, books, and training spread over the years I've been using a PC.)

Bottom line, I'm not worried about the PowerBook versus iBook issue unless someone can point out a reasonable alternative argument.

I've seen the a few iBooks in person (at the Apple store in King of Prussia, and at some of our meetups) and I have not been impressed with the screen on the 12 inch iBook. So there's at least one thing I can eliminate from my list.

All of this might be moot as of tomorrow, but at least I'll know better for next time. I know I've got a couple of avid Apple-using readers, so hopefully someone can help me out.

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  1. I couldn't resist not commenting on this post. So here it goes. All of your questions can be answered by going to the Apple website.

    I've been a Mac convert for a year now. I started off with the Mac Mini which is truly an amazing piece of technology. If one wants to go mobile, there's always the iBook 14" that has the same processor as the higher-end Mac Mini. There's really no downside to owning a piece of Mac computer. You may even want to use it more than your PC. I only use my laptop PC because it's company issue. Otherwise, I'm on the Mac.

  2. James (aka MacManX)

    What is the real difference between a G3 and G4?

    The G4 chip introduced the "Velocity Engine" which allowed data to be transfered through the processor without being compressed on entry, unlike most processors available at the time. If you had a 500MHz G3 processor and a 500MHz G4 processor, you could consider both as highways with 65-mph speed limits, but the G3 highway would have only three lanes, while the G4 highway would five lanes. So, even though both processors would be transferring the data at the same rate, the G4 processor would be able to transfer more data per cycle. On a side note, the G4 iBook is significantly lighter than the G3 iBook.

    What screen sizes are available in each model, and what is their true resolution?

    For that, I highly recommend that you download Mactracker.

    How much of a difference does 100Mhz in processor power really make on performance?

    As far as I'm concerned, it's barely noticeable.

    How about memory and performance?

    In my opinion, you need at least 256MB of RAM to enjoy any computer, and that should be fine if you're just planning to use the computer for browsing. If you ever want to use it for anything else (like gaming or multimedia design), you would probably want to upgrade it to 512MB of RAM.

    Why do people make specific mention that "the power cord works" or "battery still holds a charge" on iBook listings when you don’t see that very often with PCs?

    Like any power adapter, the iBook's power adapter can mysteriously cease to function due to misuse or poor manufacturing. And, like any battery, the iBook's battery can degrade over time. Unfortunately, like almost any human on the face of the Earth, most sellers will sell their used product with the damaged or failing parts and keep the good parts for themselves.

    What parts does a retail iBook come with that could be missing from a used system?

    My best guess would be RAM and probably the Airport (wifi) card. Anything else would be too difficult for a pack rat to remove. In any case, you should compare your used model of choice to its listing in Mactracker to see if it is missing anything that would have come with it during its prime.

    Is there some issue with the keyboard rubbing on the screen that makes eBay sellers mention that there aren't any key marks on the screen?

    Unfortunately, there is. Plastic keyboards and securely locking LCD screens just don't mix well over time. On some models which have been abused, you will see indentations on the screen left by the keyboard. There are plenty of screen protectors and keyboard covers available to prevent this. Personally, I use a micro-fiber keyboard cover on all of my laptops.

    Which iBooks have slot-loading drives (versus the kind with a tray), and is there a way you can tell this without seeing a photo of the drive?

    Unless the specific listing states the drive type, or displays a picture of the drive, you will probably have to consult Mactracker.

    When people talk about "scratches in the finish", it seems to be a common thing caused by regular use - how severe is it, and how careful do you need to be to prevent it?

    The white iBooks are built with polished white plastic, which is not as scratch resistant as most of the PC-based rough-finished black notebooks. Any blatant abuse of the iBook could easily result in case scratches.

    Do iBooks have wifi built in? Bluetooth? Which ones?

    Some models have Airport (802.11b), Airport Extreme (802.11b/g), and/or Bluetooth included. If that is not stated in the listing, you will probably have to consult Mactracker. Be aware that Airport cards are easily removable and swappable between most Apple laptops, so the card may have been removed by the seller.

    Is 20GB really enough hard drive space? What can that hold practically?

    20GB will be fine, especially if you only plan to use the iBook for browsing. If it proves to be too little, just buy an external hard drive.

    Are all of these "motherboard/drive/screen/case needs repair" sales junk, or are they serviceable?

    Yes, they are junk, as the parts and/or service would cost just about as much as the used iBook itself.

    What is the difference between an iBook and a PowerBook? Who would that make a difference to?

    iBooks are designed primarily for average home/student use and Powerbooks were built for professional use (like multimedia design, software development, and heavy gaming). However, the iBooks are built to be more durable than the Powerbooks, because they are built for individuals who will probably neglect and/or abuse their laptops.

    What other things should someone be wary of when purchasing a used iBook?

    Always consult Mactracker to compare the original retail model to the used one which you will be purchasing. And, always be wary of the seller. For that reason alone, I will never buy a used computer from eBay (unless it is a properly-maintained antique). I prefer to buy my "Certified Pre-Owned Macs" from PowerMax.

  3. Mike Schleifstein

    check out apple's support site before you buy they, have a good switcher faq...

    i'll try to answer a few q's, but i'm not an expert per say...

    * What is the real difference between a G3 and G4?
    speed, g4 is better as g3 will be a little slow for interactive content, plus you want osx and it really loves speed

    * What screen sizes are available in each model, and what is their true resolution?
    um... apple support should have the answer, but most seem to do fine 1024x768, my 14.1 in ibook and the 12 in one have a max of 1024 on screen

    * How about memory and performance?
    the more memory the better though you should probably buy the extra mem from a reseller like other world computing(macsales.com) or crucial osx needs at least 512mb to work right, i'm maxed out to 1.25 gig in mine... mem is easy to install just lift the key board, remove the aircard unscrew a small metal plate and add the stick

    * Why do people make specific mention that “the power cord works” or “battery still holds a charge” on iBook listings when you don’t see that very often with PCs?
    people tend to use the ibooks to end of battery life, which in turn is similar to ipod battery life

    * Is there some issue with the keyboard rubbing on the screen that makes eBay sellers metion that there aren’t any key marks on the screen?
    dirty key boards can transfer hand grease to the screen

    * Which iBooks have slot-loading drives (versus the kind with a tray), and is there a way you can tell this without seeing a photo of the drive?
    check the apple support site, it will say what the last tray loading ibook was

    * Do iBooks have wifi built in? Bluetooth? Which ones?
    some, it didn't become standard til this past year, check specs for airport card or airport extreme installed, this is the apple branded wifi card, extreme is g based

    * Is 20GB really enough hard drive space? What can that hold practically?
    NO, er um for me that is, for you, if only for viewing web pages then even 10 gig should be ok...

    * Are all of these “motherboard/drive/screen/case needs repair” sales junk, or are they serviceable?
    junk...

    * What is the difference between an iBook and a PowerBook? Who would that make a difference to?
    powerbook is a pro oriented machine, ibook is consumer, for your needs there is no diff, other than look, but the power book has more ports and is metal

    i haven't bought a used one before, but you may consider getting a new macmini instead for 500 from apple and just using a kvm with your current monitor keyboard and mouse... and apple has certified used ones....

    check other used sites as well like:
    macsales.com (other world computing)
    smalldogelectronics
    anyone linked from the macobserver.com
    read up at Tuaw.com for more info as well

    also remember to get an osx system and not a classic system

  4. Hmm... Unless you *need* portability, a new Mac Mini would be a far better way to spend your money. The middle option at apple.com is $599 and includes bluetooth and wifi.

  5. The only way that having an Apple makes sense for me at all is if I can pack it with me when I visit clients. So...

  6. I bought my ex an iBook G3 12" in August of 2004 off of eBay.
    I maxed out the RAM to 640MB and added an airport card.
    You can find them for around $500 or less on eBay.
    But you might want to look at the one on Mac of all Trades.
    http://www.macofalltrades.com/G3_800MHz_iBook_14_640_30GB_Combo_p/g3800ib142.htm
    You'll have to add an airport card if you want wireless, but otherwise it looks like exactly what you need.
    After awhile, you won't even used your windows machines...

  7. I'd recommend visiting Lowendmac.com they have specs, guides, and list various deals if you want to buy retail instead of ebay (and you should probably know what the retail price is even if you decide to use ebay). And everymac.com lists the specs on every mac.

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